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Re: Kolonisatie van Mars noodzaak!

Berichtdoor xplosive » Di Apr 23, 2013 9:26 pm

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"Big Brother zal erbij vergeleken bleek wegtrekken", zegt 't Hooft. "Het hele wereldpubliek zal van de reizen meegenieten."

Ongetwijfeld, maar de lol zal er gauw af zijn als de eerste kolonisten binnen korte tijd het hoekje om gaan.

Als dat gebeurt, inderdaad. Maar dan staat er 2 jaar later weer een nieuw team van 4 mensen klaar om naar Mars te gaan. "The show must go on", tenslotte.
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Re: Kolonisatie van Mars noodzaak!

Berichtdoor Ali Yas » Di Apr 23, 2013 9:36 pm

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Ali Yas schreef:Ongetwijfeld, maar de lol zal er gauw af zijn als de eerste kolonisten binnen korte tijd het hoekje om gaan.

Als dat gebeurt, inderdaad. Maar dan staat er 2 jaar later weer een nieuw team van 4 mensen klaar om naar Mars te gaan. "The show must go on", tenslotte.

Mogen ze eerst de botten naar buiten gooien. :sick:
Nee, dat gaat echt niet leuk worden.
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Re: Kolonisatie van Mars noodzaak!

Berichtdoor Pilgrim » Di Apr 23, 2013 11:40 pm

De inschrijving was ook op het NOS-journaal te zien.

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Re: Kolonisatie van Mars noodzaak!

Berichtdoor Pilgrim » Za Apr 27, 2013 11:57 am

The Biggest Flaw in Mars One's Business Plan

Apr 25, 2013, by Ian O'Neill

Press conferences often reveal flaws in projects during the last few minutes devoted to questions from reporters. And in the case of the Mars One press conference on Monday, it was the Q&A session that not only revealed flaws, it may have extinguished the entire business plan that would theoretically fund the interplanetary operation.

Mars One, founded by Dutch entrepreneur and engineer Bas Lansdorp, is a non-profit company with the sole intention of starting a Mars colony by the year 2023. At face value, the business model that will fund the enterprise sounds intriguing. Through television rights and sponsorship deals, Mars One will generate a huge revenue stream that will not only fund the launch of four people to Mars, it will also found the basis of a colony on Mars.

Be under no illusions, building a base on Mars will be hard, but the entire planet will be glued to their screens watching the interplanetary drama unfold as Mars One makes history. We will witness all the grit and drama of the first humans on another planet. There may even be tragedies, possibly some humor. Or so the Mars One plan would have us believe.

During the conference in New York — which announced the opening of a fee-driven Mars astronaut selection program — Lansdorp pointed out that by 2023, four billion people on the planet will have an Internet connection. This will be the biggest audience for a live event; “everyone” will want to watch the Mars One crew touch down on Mars and make their first steps. This will be history, an occasion bigger than the Olympic Games.

An event of this size, according to Lansdorp, will generate a gargantuan rush for TV rights. The Olympics, a 2-week event, generates around $4 billion in revenue using this model. Mars One, a mission that will begin with a historic landing and continue with a grand reality TV schedule, will no doubt fare far better. We will be personally attached to the heroic four astronauts on Mars; we won’t be able to look away. Countless billions stand to be made from intense global interest.

It will be an interplanetary Big Brother. In fact, even Big Brother co-creator Paul Römer has advised Lansdorp on the project — he gave it a big thumbs-up, needless to say.

The tailing-off of public interest in the Apollo Program in 1970′s, ultimately leading to the premature cancellation of the project in 1972 was different, according to Lansdorp. Mars One will maintain a high level of interest for the entire one-way mission to Mars, he says. This is the key assumption that forms the foundation of Mars One.

The fickle nature of television audiences aside, Lansdorp said that Mars One’s cash flow will be supplemented by the inevitable spin-off technology that will come from developing and supporting a Mars colony. Again, another assumption.

Sadly, the assumptions made by Mars One are backed up by few facts. Even by Lansdorp’s own admission, the television companies on Earth will unlikely have any control over the Mars colony.

When discussing the colonists’ need for privacy (despite the fact they’d be signing up for a reality TV show), Lansdorp dropped a bombshell: “Mars One would not allow 24/7 coverage … the people of Mars wouldn’t allow it. If they don’t like a particular camera, they’d put a piece of duct tape over it and there’s nothing we can do about it. They are in charge.” Rather, he trusts that the colonists would be “proud” to show off their lives to the world. And there it is, the biggest flaw in using a reality TV model to fund a mission to Mars.

The admission that the colony will be “in charge” would likely stop any TV executive in their tracks. Dolling out billions of dollars for exclusive rights to a live Mars video feed that may or may not be switched on is the epitome of “risky.” Sure, the “one small step” episode would likely attract billions, but what of the rest of the mission?

The topic of autonomy was even questioned by Mars One ambassador and Nobel prize laureate Gerard ‘t Hooft. When Lansdorp became excited about the possibility that the Mars colony would eventually declare independence, making it a “proud day” for mankind, ‘t Hooft quickly interjected, saying, “They can’t be totally independent.”

If the business model seems unreliable, Mars One’s budgeting is receiving a huge amount of scrutiny too. Or, it would receive scrutiny if the executives didn’t keep it secret.

In response to space analyst Jeff Foust, who asked via Twitter for a run-down of Mars One’s projected costs, Lansdorp replied with:

“Actually, we don’t want to (give any details). I can tell you that we have discussed the budget per component with our potential suppliers, but for competition reasons it would be very stupid for us to give the prices that have been quoted to us per component, because that would make it very easy for competition to go under it, but not too much under it, so the exact prices that we are expecting to pay per component we will keep confidential.”

Whether he was referring to competition in a hypothetical future “Mars rush” or competition between suppliers, it’s hard to tell. Therefore, the projected cost of sending a team to Mars and setting up the first colony cannot be verified. Although one could argue that the technology is feasible, and launch costs are being driven down by the burgeoning private space industry, many space experts are looking at the projected $6 billion price tag with extreme skepticism.

These doubts may not be a problem if Mars One was aiming to get humans on Mars in the next 20-30 years, but they have an extremely tight schedule. The first Mars One launch will be a robotic “proof of concept” mission that will land on the Martian surface using solely retro rockets. This first launch is scheduled for 2016.

Mars One is not an aerospace company, as frequently highlighted by Lansdorp, but will instead hire contractors to build the mission’s components. Mars One has cited a SpaceX Dragon-esque capsule as their means of getting cargo and crew to the surface of Mars. But the landing system being suggested (rocket power only, no parachutes) is under development — three years leaves little time for the technology to mature.

But the impending technological problems will be of little concern — the sheer amount of money required from television deals, sponsorship and astronaut application fees will be a near-impossible task to raise before any component reaches the launch pad.

As much as I want to see a Mars colony in my lifetime, Mars One — using the current business plan and unrealistic timeframe — won’t be it.

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Re: Kolonisatie van Mars noodzaak!

Berichtdoor Pilgrim » Za Apr 27, 2013 11:59 am

SpaceX's Elon Musk and friends look to the future: Engage warp drive!

By Alan Boyle, Science Editor, NBC News

What will the far future look like? For actor Will Smith and his son Jaden, the next generation could mark a "tipping point" for the environment. For futurist Ray Kurzweil, solar power is the solution to our energy ills. But for a look at the really far future, turn to Elon Musk, the billionaire founder of SpaceX and Tesla Motors. He's already thinking about spreading out from Earth to other planets — and engaging the warp drive to get to other star systems.

"There's some potential, even though it sounds science-fictiony, for warp drive to work," Musk said on Tuesday during a Google+ Hangout to publicize "After Earth," Smith's upcoming movie. "Technically, to warp space such that you're traveling at the speed of light, but you've warped space so that space is actually traveling."

Musk was referring to recent studies updating the "Star Trek" conception of warp travel, in which a whole region of the space-time continuum zips along at faster-than-light speeds. Researchers at NASA's Johnson Space Center say the idea isn't as crazy as it sounds, and they're trying to create space-time perturbations on a microscopic scale.

Even NASA Administrator Charles Bolden is on board: "One of these days, we want to get to warp speed," he said last September. "We want to go faster than the speed of light, and we don't want to stop at Mars."

Musk, however, sees Mars as a key stop on the path to turning humanity into a multiplanet species. "Either we're a spacefaring civilization, or we're going to be bound to Earth until some eventual extinction event," he said Tuesday.

All this meshes with the plot of "After Earth," in which Will and Jaden Smith play a father and son who find themselves back on Earth a millennium after cataclysmic events forced humanity to find refuge in a distant star system. The filmmakers organized the Hangout to give the Smiths as well as Musk, Kurzweil and environmentalist Alexandra Cousteau a chance to reflect on humanity's future. (It was also a chance to give the movie some publicity on the day "after Earth Day.")

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Re: Kolonisatie van Mars noodzaak!

Berichtdoor xplosive » Za Apr 27, 2013 12:18 pm

De financiering lijkt inderdaad een zwak punt van Mars One te zijn. Toch trekt Mars One nu al zoveel aandacht dat alleen al op grond dáárvan het aantrekkelijk moet zijn voor sponsors om mee te liften. Eén ding is zeker : zonder de stoutmoedige stappen van Bas Lansdorp zouden anderen minder koortsachtig op zoek gaan naar hoe ze Mars One voorbij kunnen streven (en uiteraard horen daar ook pogingen bij om Mars One in diskrediet te brengen). Want stel je eens voor dat het project Mars One van zo'n onbeduidend Nederlands kereltje onverhoeds sláágt. Dat zou een enorm prestigeverlies voor gesettelde ruimtevaartorganisaties kunnen betekenen ..........
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Berichtdoor Ali Yas » Za Apr 27, 2013 3:59 pm

Ik moet eerlijk bekennen dat mijn Nederlandse hart sneller gaat kloppen van het idee dat een Nederlandse club de eerste man op Mars zou zetten. De VOC is er niks bij. Maar dan bekruipt me weer het gevoel dat dit ook de meest schokkende flop uit de vaderlandse geschiedenis zou kunnen worden. Het is te hopen dat het project niet van de grond komt (hehehe) om geen enkele andere reden dan dat het niet lukt de benodigde euro's bijeen te schrapen.
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Re: Kolonisatie van Mars noodzaak!

Berichtdoor Pilgrim » Zo Apr 28, 2013 12:40 pm

Selectie eerste menselijke crew naar Mars is geopend

Door: Inge Ringoot − 23/04/13 − Bron: CNN, Mars One

Altijd al gedroomd van een leven op Mars? Dan heb je geluk, want deze droom zou wel eens werkelijkheid kunnen worden. Mars One heeft immers aangekondigd dat het selectieprogramma om 'gewone' mensen naar de Rode Planeet te sturen geopend is. Iedereen die ouder is dan 18 jaar mag zich aanbieden en wordt met een beetje geluk geselecteerd om als een van de eerste aardbewoners een voet op Mars te zetten. Belangrijk detail: het gaat om een enkele rit.

Wie geïnteresseerd is in deze bijzondere reis, maar absoluut niet thuis is in het ruimtewereldje, moet nog niet wanhopen: "De dagen waarbij moed en het aantal gevlogen uren in een supersonisch vliegtuig de belangrijkste criteria waren, zijn voorbij", aldus Norbert Kraft, de Chief Medical Director van Mars One, de Nederlandse organisatie die in 2023 een kolonie op de Rode Planeet wil vestigen. "We maken ons bij deze missie eerder zorgen over hoe elke astronaut samenleeft en samenwerkt met anderen, evenals hun bekwaamheid om hun leven lang de ene na de andere uitdaging aan te gaan."

Karakter
Maar ook een goede uithouding en mentale gezondheid zijn uiterst belangrijk om de selectie te overleven. Bovendien moet iedereen die zich kandidaat stelt stressbestendig en nieuwsgierig zijn. Hij of zij moet zich ook makkelijk kunnen aanpassen en moet in staat zijn om anderen in vertrouwen te nemen. Ook creativiteit en vindingrijkheid zijn belangrijke karaktertrekken die de toekomstige Marsreizigers moeten hebben.

Online inschrijvingsformulier
Denk je dat jij wel de capaciteiten hebt om de rest van je leven op Mars te slijten? Vul dan het online inschrijvingsformulier in via aplly.mars-one.com. Dit is de eerste van de vier ronden waaruit het selectieprogramma bestaat. De eerste ronde loopt meer dan vijf maanden en zal afgelopen zijn op 31 augustus 2013. Wie op het einde van de eerste ronde geselecteerd wordt, zal in de latere rondes nog extra training en opleiding krijgen. Uiteindelijk zullen 24-40 kandidaten de laatste ronde halen. De uiteindelijke beslissing van wie als eerste mag vertrekken, is afhankelijk van het aantal stemmen dat de deelnemers weten te bemachtigen bij het publiek.

"Over duizend jaar zal iedereen op aarde nog altijd weten wie de eerste mensen waren op Mars, zoals Neil Armstrong. Dit zorgt ervoor dat de selectie van de eerste crew erg belangrijk is", aldus Bas Landsdorp, medeoprichter van Mars One.

Ben je er klaar voor?
"We zijn enorm opgewonden om dit selectieprogramma te lanceren. Het is wel erg belangrijk dat iedereen die wil meedoen aan het project zichzelf de vraagt stelt: Wil ik dit? Ben ik hier klaar voor? Als het antwoord hierop 'ja' is dan horen wij graag van jou", aldus een enthousiaste Bas Landsdorp, medeoprichten van Mars One.

In het laatste jaar alleen al ontving Mars One meer dan 10.000 berichten van kandidaten uit meer dan honderd landen. Nu het online aanmeldingsformuleer geopend is, hoopt Mars One dat dit aantal nog zal toenemen zodat ze hun favorieten er kunnen uitpikken.

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Re: Kolonisatie van Mars noodzaak!

Berichtdoor Pilgrim » Zo Apr 28, 2013 12:43 pm

Mars One: Right target, wrong plan

Although settling humans on Mars is a good idea, the Mars One proposal is shortsighted.

Ian O'Neill, last modified: 25 Apr 2013

Ian O'Neill is the Space Science Producer at Discovery News, and founder and editor of Astroengine.


When it comes to the exploration of space, I am a hard-line supporter of manned exploration with the ultimate goal of seeing humans walk on Mars. Sadly, science funding, government policies and wavering public support often don't mirror my lofty hopes of seeing a manned presence on Mars within my lifetime. But still, I hope. And with the growing commercial space sector turning heads, there is hope.

So, when the non-profit company Mars One started hitting the headlines, I was more than a little enthusiastic for this "one-way mission" that would be ultimately supported by reality television rights. No, this isn't "Keeping Up With The Kardashians" (or, indeed, "Cardassians") in space, it would be an honest to goodness attempt at getting mankind onto Mars, boosted by advertising revenue and TV rights from the grandest reality television experience ever envisaged.

We'd watch the lives of a group of heroic individuals launch in the year 2022 and follow their progress through interplanetary space to Mars. It will often be hard to watch - the "warts and all" disclosures the astronauts would be required to give the world would be unlike we've ever seen. But, according to the Mars One executives, the show will inspire the planet, boost interest in colonising the solar system and invigorate new and transformative technologies we can't even comprehend.

The project hopes to be the seed from which mankind's future in space will blossom. Sadly, despite all the enthusiasm, at best Mars One is on very shaky ground. At worst, it's a short-sighted plan that could undermine legitimate attempts for a future manned presence on Mars.

To the red planet
Mars One, the brainchild of Dutch entrepreneur Bas Lansdorp, kicked off its ten-year odyssey to get bootprints onto the red planet on Monday, hosting the "Mars One Launch" press announcement in New York. There, they discussed that their Mars astronaut selection process had opened and they were accepting applications. The panel included Lansdorp, Nobel prize laureate and Mars One ambassador Gerard 't Hooft, Mars One Chief Medical Officer Norbert Kraft, Paragon Space Development Corporation's Grant Anderson and Mars One concept artist Bryan Versteeg.

The press conference - attended only by a handful of journalists - was fairly standard, but there were repeated references to the Apollo era of the 1960s, pointing out that an entire generation was inspired by seeing Neil Armstrong walk on the lunar surface (see Amy Shira Teitel's Al Jazeera English article: "We should drop the Apollo model in space, but keep the inspiration"). The inspiring promo video made the point that the Apollo missions were fleeting and that Mars will be the next target and there will be a major difference: "from now on we won't be visiting planets, we'll be staying."

But how does Mars One propose we do this?

Well, beginning in 2016 (three years from now), a demonstration mission will be launched. The unmanned test flight will go to Mars and land on the surface. Preliminary designs incorporate a SpaceX Dragon-esque capsule that will land using only retro-rockets - a landing system currently under development by Elon Musk's private spaceflight company.

At this juncture, it is important to point out, as Lansdorp has done repeatedly, that Mars One "is not an aerospace company" - the company will hire specific companies to carry out certain tasks, ultimately supporting a manned presence on Mars under the umbrella of Mars One. Like NASA used contractors to build the components for Apollo and the Shuttle, Mars One will use contractors to develop existing technology for life support, food cultivation, habitat design and space launch requirements.

In 2018, an unspecified "rover mission" will be sent to Mars. That will be followed in 2020 by another surface mission that will deliver components of a habitat and equipment that will be moved to where the embryonic colony will be established. So far, the operation will be driven entirely by robotics.

During Monday's conference, Lansdorp referred to equipment that would extract oxygen from the tenuous Martian atmosphere, providing air for future colonists to breathe. The proposed site for the settlement will be located above latitude 40 degrees north, a location where water is known to reside under the Martian surface. So far, so good. The plan is pretty much in line with how space enthusiasts see a Mars colony being established - although it's debatable whether the technology is mature enough for long-term manned operations on the Mars surface.

Bigger than the Olympics
By 2022, the manned component for a four-person crew will be launched to Mars, hopefully with the grandest reality TV contract attached to it. By the time Mars One puts humans on Mars on April 22, 2023, Lansdorp emphasised that four billion people on the planet will have an internet connection. Everyone will be watching the same screen at the same time. "It will be the biggest audience ever, especially around launch and around landing," he declared.

By Lansdorp's reckoning, the audience will be larger than the audience for the Olympic Games. The funding is therefore a no-brainer; with a guaranteed audience of that size, the 2-week Games (which attract around $4 billion in TV rights) would be dwarfed by the huge volume of cash that will flood from the Mars One effort. Remember, we will be following the Mars One astronauts for years; it will generate an incalculable cash flow. And, according to Lansdorp, reality TV experts - including Big Brother co-creator Paul Römer - assume interest will remain high, ensuring the money keeps flowing. But when dealing with a permanent manned habitat on Mars, inhabited by astronauts who will likely never return home, this may be one assumption too far.

We'd be dealing with an unprecedented endeavour - how do we know it will generate long-term interest? Taking a cue from the Apollo Program, will public interest rapidly decline after the "One small step for (a) man/woman" episode, only for ratings to plummet when our TVs are filled with the realities of a small group of humans living to survive on an alien world? The point is, we don't know - a factor that seems to be missing from Mars One's risk assessment.

Even Mars One ambassador 't Hooft appears to be on the fence as to whether the mission is possible in such a tight timeframe: "To be frank, I'm still sceptical," he said during the conference.

Budget confidential
But the biggest frustration that has confounded space experts is Mars One's evasiveness when it comes to their budget. The apparently arbitrary number of $6 billion is being bandied around as being the amount of cash needed to get the first Mars One expedition to the Red Planet. But how did the executives arrive at that number? How will the money be distributed? Will it be invested primarily in life support development? Or will it be needed to pay for the interplanetary transit? Sadly, we don't know.

In response to a question from space analyst Jeff Foust concerning details for the Mars One budget, Lansdorp said:

Actually, we don't want to (give any details). I can tell you that we have discussed the budget per component with our potential suppliers, but for competition reasons it would be very stupid for us to give the prices that have been quoted to us per component, because that would make it very easy for competition to go under it, but not too much under it, so the exact prices that we are expecting to pay per component we will keep confidential.

It's hard to see what "competition" he's referring to and it's sad that if there is a detailed plan of spending that makes sense - if it were made public, it might add some credibility to the plan. To many, $6 billion doesn't seem like enough money for the endeavour.

Other factors of the Q&A session left me thinking there was some naivety on the panel.

When queried about medical aspects of the mission - particularly the long periods of isolation and the fact that future Mars colonists may have a hard time being constantly enclosed in a habitat or space suit - chief medical officer Norbert Kraft replied that he had spent 10 days in an isolation chamber and, in regards to going outside, he said, "I didn't miss it at all." But, according to Kraft, it depends on the person - if they are an outdoors person, "Oh I need my mountains, I need to smell the flowers" then it's not for them to apply to Mars One. "Not everyone misses that," he said dismissively. So, presumably, if you enjoy living in a submarine, Mars One is the mission for you!

There are numerous scientific studies Kraft could have referred to - not exclusive to the recent Mars500 experiment in Russia and the grandest experiment of all, the International Space Station - but he chose to use anecdotal evidence, ignoring the complex psychological impact of living in isolation.

"They are in charge"
Also, in regards to the colony's dependence on Earth, Lansdorp said that when the colony declares independence from Earth, it would be a proud day for mankind. Seeing a flaw in Lansdorp's statement, 't Hooft interjected, saying "They can't be totally independent."

Lansdorp also, inadvertently, compounded concerns about the viability of having a reality TV show on Mars at all. "Mars One would not allow 24/7 coverage... the people of Mars wouldn't allow it," Lansdorp said. "If they don't like a particular camera, they'd put a piece of duct tape over it and there's nothing we can do about it. They are in charge."

In principal, using the revenue stream from television rights is not a bad plan. Supplementing that money with intellectual rights over the technology that will inevitably spin off from the project is also sound reasoning. But basing this business plan on a project that's due its first launch in three years' time is risky. Basing this business plan around a mission where, by the Mars One founder's own admission, the TV companies on Earth are not in control seems like a fool's errand.

But above all, basing a very high profile Mars mission that intends to land humans on Mars in a decade based only on assumptions, before even the technology to support such a plan has been tested and matured, is doomed to failure.

While many may see this assessment as overly negative, it's worth remembering that there are very real plans to get humans to Mars, but they are using incremental steps to build infrastructure first, maturing technologies and building a financial case for a manned mission. Mars One will face huge difficulties in the coming months, inevitably resulting in overruns and delays.

Regardless of their enthusiasm and obvious passion, Mars One will likely fall by the wayside well before any component makes it to the launch pad.

Ian O'Neill is Space Science Producer for Discovery News. He is also the founder and editor of space blog Astroengine.

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Berichtdoor xplosive » Zo Apr 28, 2013 1:09 pm

Hier staat :

33.000 registration to the Astronaut Selection Program in just 2 days.

Dat betekent dus dat alleen al in de eerste twee dagen na de aankondiging dat mensen zich kunnen inschrijven 33.000 mensen (veel meer dus dan die 10.000) betaald hebben voor hun inschrijving. Aangezien het gemiddelde inschrijvingsgeld, dat per land varieert van 5 USD tot 38 USD al naar gelang het inkomen per hoofd van de bevolking in een land (in Nederland 34 USD), waarschijnlijk uit zal komen op ongeveer 15 USD, betekent dit dat Mars One alleen al aan inschrijvingsgeld in die eerste 2 dagen een half miljoen USD getoucheerd heeft. Daar komt waarschijnlijk nog wel wat aan inschrijvingsgeld bij. Met dit geld kunnen in ieder geval al enkele mensen voor meerdere jaren ingehuurd worden om Mars One verder te promoten. Daarbij wordt er ook al wereldwijd op individuele basis aan Mars One gedoneerd en zijn er ook al enkele sponsors. De eerste aanzet op weg naar de 6 miljard USD die Mars One begroot heeft is er dus al (ik vermoed nu enkele miljoenen USD). Dit is uiteraard nog een lange weg te gaan, maar Mars One heeft in ieder geval al wel bewezen dat hun formule geld genereert. Zelf mensen die afgunstig naar Mars One kijken geven toe dat er door Mars-organisaties nooit eerder in de geschiedenis zo'n goede marketingstrategie is ontwikkeld als nu door Mars One.
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Berichtdoor xplosive » Zo Apr 28, 2013 1:19 pm

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Mars One: Right target, wrong plan

Although settling humans on Mars is a good idea, the Mars One proposal is shortsighted.

Ian O'Neill, last modified: 25 Apr 2013

Ian O'Neill is the Space Science Producer at Discovery News, and founder and editor of Astroengine.

Ik had dit artikel al gezien. Als je op internet zoekt op "Mars One" komt dit artikel hoog in de sortering te staan, dus je kunt het niet missen. Dat er nu zulke (blijkbaar goed betaalde) artikelen verschijnen betekent mijns inziens alleen maar dat steeds meer afgunstige mensen zich serieus zorgen beginnen te maken dat Mars One zal slagen in haar opzet. Feitelijk is dat dus goed nieuws voor Mars One. Het is goed als mensen kritiek blijven uiten op het plan van Mars One. Dit helpt Mars One alleen maar verder en kan eventueel als input dienen om het plan van Mars One bij te schaven en verder te vervolmaken.

Wat ook vergeten wordt is dat de televisie-uitzendingen die het wedervaren van de astronauten-in-spé hier op aarde volgen nog voordat er ook maar iemand een voet op Mars heeft gezet óók geld zullen genereren.
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Re: Kolonisatie van Mars noodzaak!

Berichtdoor xplosive » Zo Apr 28, 2013 4:42 pm

Datums dichtste nadering van Mars tot de Aarde voor de komende jaren met afstanden in AE en miljoenen kilometers :

Datum        AE        miljoenen kilometers

05-03-2012   0,674   100,781
14-04-2014   0,618­­     92,386
30-05-2016   0,503     75,279
31-07-2018   0,385     57,589
06-10-2020   0,415     62,071
01-12-2022   0,544     81,452
12-01-2025   0,642     96,084
20-02-2027   0,678   101,415
29-03-2029   0,647     96,823
12-05-2031   0,553     82,781
05-07-2033   0,423     63,283
11-09-2035   0,380     56,909
11-11-2037   0,494     73,839

Te zien is dat 2018 en 2035 de jaren zijn met de dichtste nadering voor de komende decennia. Vandaar dat Elon Musk een reis richting Mars met mensen voor 2018 gepland had en NASA een reis richting Mars voor 2035.

Het jaar waarin Mars One de reis met mensen richting Mars gepland heeft is ten opzichte daarvan wat dat betreft dus relatief ongunstig. Mars One gaat echter niet voor de kortste reis, maar voor de snelst mogelijke realisering om mensen op Mars te krijgen in een leefbaar scenario.
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Re: Kolonisatie van Mars noodzaak!

Berichtdoor Pilgrim » Zo Apr 28, 2013 8:16 pm

Je krijgt soms de indruk dat het loopt als een trein met Mars One, maar ik heb van sommige insiders ook wel kritiek gehoord op Bas lansdorp. Ik moet nog zien of het allemaal lukt en dat ze het geld bij elkaar krijgen.
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Berichtdoor xplosive » Di Apr 30, 2013 12:18 pm

De communicatie met de Mars-robots wordt weer hervat :

Opportunity in Standby as Commanding Moratorium Ends

During a moratorium on commanding this month while Mars passed nearly behind the sun - a phase called solar conjunction -- NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity entered a type of standby mode.

Mission controllers learned of the changed status on April 27 when they first heard from Opportunity after the period of minimized communication during the solar conjunction. They prepared fresh commands today (April 29) for sending to the rover to resume operations.

Initial indications suggest the rover sensed something amiss while doing a routine camera check of the clarity of the atmosphere on April 22.

"Our current suspicion is that Opportunity rebooted its flight software, possibly while the cameras on the mast were imaging the sun," said Mars Exploration Rover Project Manager John Callas of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "We found the rover in a standby state called automode, in which it maintains power balance and communication schedules, but waits for instructions from the ground. We crafted our solar conjunction plan to be resilient to this kind of rover reset, if it were to occur."

Opportunity has been working on Mars for more than nine years. NASA's other Mars rover, Curiosity, which landed last year, is also nearing the end of its solar conjunction moratorium on commanding. Curiosity has reported coming through the conjunction in full health. Controllers plan to send Curiosity's first set of post-conjunction commands on May 1.
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Re: Kolonisatie van Mars noodzaak!

Berichtdoor Pilgrim » Di Apr 30, 2013 12:40 pm

Mars landing not so far-fetched, anymore

By: Marc Kaufman

WASHINGTON -- The notion of landing astronauts on Mars has long been more fantasy than reality: The planet is, on average, 225 million kilometres from Earth, and its atmosphere isn't hospitable to human life.

But a human voyage to the planet is now, for the first time, within the realm of possibility, according to space advocates inside and outside the United States government. As a result, plans for a mission around the planet, and ultimately for lengthier stays, have been sprouting like springtime flowers.

The new momentum, some space experts say, comes from the successful landing of the large rover Curiosity in a Martian crater last year, the growing eagerness of space entrepreneurs to mount and fund missions to Mars and encouraging new data about the radiation risks of such an expedition.

NASA says it hopes to land astronauts on the planet within the next two decades, and the agency is developing a heavy-lift rocket and a new space capsule to achieve this goal. It has even established an optimal time frame for this event -- in the early 2030s, when the very different orbits of the two planets brings them closest to each other.

The challenges of space technology -- including how to keep astronauts alive en route and on the planet -- as well as government support and funding remain daunting, but the goal of landing humans on Mars is seeming less and less like a pipe dream.

"A human mission to Mars is a priority, and our entire exploration program is aligned to support this goal," said NASA administrator Charles Bolden.

NASA has "overcome the technical challenges of landing and operating spacecraft on Mars" robotically, Bolden said. "We're developing today the technologies needed to send humans to Mars in the 2030s."

With both the promise and the obstacles in mind, Bolden and other top NASA planners, rocket developers and scientists, as well as leaders from the commercial space industry and organizations and agencies abroad, met Monday at a conference at George Washington University. Buzz Aldrin, the second man to walk on the moon in 1969, was a keynote speaker at the three-day gathering. He has just written a book that he refers to as a manifesto laying out the reasons humans can and should set their sights on not only landing on Mars but also setting up a permanent settlement there.

It is "human destiny" to explore space and settle on other planets, he writes in Mission to Mars, which is being released this week. He has his own step-by-step plans on how to accomplish a Mars campaign, but he makes room for others as well.

"Our world isn't just Earth anymore, and we need to get much more serious about that," Aldrin said in an interview, adding the leaders who take us to Mars and the pioneers who inhabit it "will go down in human history as heroes and be honoured for thousands and thousands of years."

A Plymouth or Jamestown colony on Mars is by all accounts a distant goal, but the timetable for sending humans there for a quick orbit and return to Earth, or even a landing on one of its moons, could be considerably faster.

Investment adviser Dennis Tito, who paid $20 million to go to the International Space Station in 2001, recently announced plans to send two astronauts to Mars for a 2018 flyby; a Dutch group called Mars One is raising funds for a landing in the 2020s. Elon Musk of the rocket and capsule company SpaceX says he will unveil his company's Mars exploration plans in the months ahead.

Unlike the others, Musk has a significant spaceflight track record. His Dragon spacecraft has docked three times at the international space station during NASA-funded cargo runs.

Musk got into the space business with the ambition of sending many people to Mars.

The first of these missions is "further off than I would like," he said, "but far closer than many expect."

The successful landing of Curiosity at one tonne, by far the largest vehicle ever flown to Mars -- is put forward as one reason a human mission is increasingly conceivable. There's still a long way to go in terms of landing technology, said Michael Gazarik, associate administrator of the NASA's Space Technology Mission Directorate, because a Mars descent with humans would require a capsule weighing something like 40 tonnes. Nonetheless, Gazarik said the technology is being developed, and having a Mars lander by the 2030s is "plausible."

Another reason is the health risks associated with radiation in space and on Mars appear to be somewhat lower than previously believed.

Radiation measurements made by an instrument on Curiosity have found high -- but not prohibitively high -- levels of high-energy cosmic and solar rays both en route to Mars and on the surface of the planet. Extensive shielding of astronauts would be needed, scientists have found, but the risk of later illness due to radiation would not be significantly higher going to Mars than after a long-term stay on the space station, according to Bent Ehresmann, a member of the Curiosity radiation monitoring team.

Long-term isolation is also a significant issue, and astronauts will be staying longer at the International Space Station in the years ahead to study that concern. And, of course, NASA will have to design spacesuits that can withstand the bitter cold of Mars as well as its thin atmosphere, made up largely of carbon dioxide.

The biggest impediment, though, may be money. U.S. President Barack Obama has challenged NASA to send astronauts to Mars in the 2030s, but NASA's budget is now a small fraction of what it was in the years after former president John F. Kennedy set a precise timetable for landing on the moon.

The agency gets less than 0.5 per cent of the federal budget; at the peak of the Apollo program, it was four per cent. Also, Obama will have left office long before the big decisions about a 2030s mission are made, and his successors might have different priorities.

The funding problem is one reason private companies and space agencies from other nations are expected to play a significant role in any human mission to Mars.

-- The Washington Post

Republished from the Winnipeg Free Press print edition April 30, 2013 C11

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Berichtdoor Pilgrim » Di Apr 30, 2013 12:42 pm

Al 20.000 gegadigden voor enkele reis naar Mars

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30-4-13 - 12:15, bron: Grist.org


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De Mars One-top (met links Bas Lansdorp) tijdens een persconferentie voor de online-applicaties. © afp.

Een éénrichtingsmissie richting Rode Planeet die je mogelijk niet overleeft of die je je verstandelijke vermogens kan kosten. Dat is wat het Marsproject van Mars One kan inhouden. De onderneming wil tegen 2023 vier mensen naar Mars sturen voor een permanente bewoning van die planeet. Het enthousiasme voor het avontuur is overweldigend: na nog geen week heeft Mars One al 20.000 kandidaten.

Volgens Bas Lansdorp, een van de Mars One-oprichters, vinden nog wel meer mensen dat ze hier niet snel genoeg hun biezen kunnen pakken. Hij schat dat er minstens een half miljoen aardbewonders zin hebben om een andere planeet te bewonen.

'Waarom ik naar Mars wil'
Met de 20.000 gegadigden die Mars One nu al verzamelde blijkt het potentieel in elk geval groot. Gegadigden moeten via een online formulier algemene informatie over zichzelf opgeven, samen met een cv en een video waarin ze vertellen waarom ze bij de eerste mensen op Mars willen zijn. Een aantal van die video's werden door de uploaders overigens openbaar gemaakt, zodat je ze op de site kan bekijken.

In de profielschets wordt van de kandidaat-astronauten wel volharding verwacht, net zoals vertrouwen (in jezelf, je medereizigers en de goede afloop van de onderneming) en aanpassingsvermogen.

Televisieshows
Verder in de selectieprocedure komt er nog een televisieshow, waarin de internationale kandidaten worden gekozen.

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Berichtdoor Pilgrim » Di Apr 30, 2013 1:01 pm

Mars One will look for — and hide from — life on Mars

By Mike Wall, Space.com / April 29, 2013

Mars One plans to put four astronaut-explorers on Mars by 2023, but they will take steps to avoid contaminating any lifeforms already on Mars.

Life may well lurk beneath the Martian surface today, but it'll be tough to detect without sending humans to the Red Planet, some experts say.

It could be a long time before robots are able to drill deep into the Martian underground, explore caves and investigate other potentially life-supporting habitats on the Red Planet. So if humanity wants to satisfy its curiosity about potential life on Mars anytime soon, it should work to get boots in the red dirt, advocates say.

"We might be lucky and confirm life with robots over the next one to two decades, but it's probably going to take people to do, literally, the heavy labor to be able to do it," said Chris Carberry, co-founder and executive director of Explore Mars, a nonprofit organization dedicated to human exploration of the Red Planet.

Subsurface sanctuaries?
Most scientists think the frigid, dry and radiation-bombed Martian surface is unlikely to host life as we know it today. But conditions could be much more benign in underground environments such as caves or lava tubes, providing potential refuges for microbes.

"The subsurface is going to be radically different from the surface," astrobiologist and cave scientist Penny Boston, a professor at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, told SPACE.com late last year. "Every indication we have from caves of all different kinds all over this planet [Earth] shows that it doesn't take much separation vertically for a radically different environment."

Indeed, the Martian subsurface is known to harbor water ice, and several recent studies suggest that pockets of liquid water may exist beneath the red dirt as well. Here on Earth, life thrives pretty much anywhere liquid water is found, so the possibility of current Martian aquifers excites astrobiologists.

Adding to the intrigue, Carberry said, is the fact that several different ground-based and space-based instruments have detected small amounts of methane in Mars' air. The gas could be an indicator of Red Planet life, some researchers say, since 90 percent of Earth's methane is biologically derived.

Further, scientists think methane disappears rapidly from the Martian atmosphere, meaning any of the stuff swirling there today was likely produced in the recent past.

"There is a strong, growing body of evidence that there could be subsurface life on Mars," Carberry told SPACE.com. "However, we may not be able to confirm that unless we send people."

Exploring the Martian underground
Carberry lauded the work of Red Planet robots such as the car-size Curiosity rover, whose mission team recently determined that Mars could have supported microbial life billions of years ago.

But he said the search for extant Martian life is really a job for human explorers, at least for the near future. Current robots just aren't capable of drilling several meters beneath the Red Planet's surface, for example, or rappelling down into a lava tube by themselves.

"There are so many different things, so many complicated processes, that a human could do as long as they had a backup, a partner, to help them," Carberry said, "but robots can't — or if they can, it's going to take them an awful long time."

Steve Squyres of Cornell University, principal investigator for NASA's highly accomplished Spirit and Opportunity Mars rovers, has acknowledged the slow pace of robotic explorers.

"The unfortunate truth is that most things our rovers can do in a perfect sol [Martian day], a human explorer on the scene could do in less than a minute," Squyres wrote in his 2005 book "Roving Mars: Spirit, Opportunity, and the Exploration of the Red Planet."

Protecting potential Mars life
Sending people to search for Martian life would raise some ethical concerns, however.

Every astronaut who lands on the Red Planet will bring with him or her a swarming mass of 100 trillion microbes — the diverse "microbiome" that has evolved with humans for eons and provides a number of services, from aiding food digestion to keeping pathogenic bacteria at bay.

Some of these microbes would invariably jump ship on Mars, potentially swamping or destroying the organisms their human hosts were sent to detect.

"When you send humans to the next planet, you will always contaminate that planet, because you cannot sterilize a human like you can sterilize [NASA's 1970s-era] Viking spacecraft," Bas Lansdorp, co-founder and CEO of the Netherlands-based nonprofit Mars One, said during a news conference Monday (April 22).

Mars One aims to land four humans on the Red Planet in 2023 to jump-start a permanent colony there. The organization does not plan on aggressively seeking out Mars life; rather, it will try to put its settlement in a spot that minimizes the risks to potential indigenous organisms, Lansdorp said.

Scientists and space agencies around the world are well aware of the planetary protection issue. In 2008, the Committee on Space Research (COSPAR) drew up a set of guidelines that seeks to safeguard Earth from "back contamination" from Mars, and to protect potential Red Planet life from an interplanetary invasion as well.

The COSPAR guidelines — which NASA and the European Space Agency, among others, are committed to follow — advise steering clear of gullies, possible geothermal sites and other "special regions" on Mars where Earth life might be able to get a foothold.

Such restrictions could make a manned life hunt difficult, since these places are also the most likely to harbor Red Planet life.

Carberry said future manned missions should take strict precautions to minimize their impact on the Red Planet and any potential indigenous lifeforms. But he doesn't think planetary protection concerns should keep humanity away from the Red Planet entirely.

"That's not a good reason not to go," Carberry said. "If we used that rationale for not going to Mars, we pretty much could eliminate all human exploration anywhere from now on."

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Re: Kolonisatie van Mars noodzaak!

Berichtdoor Ali Yas » Di Apr 30, 2013 4:03 pm

Als men het Marsleven wil beschermen tegen het Aardse leven, stuur er dan geen mens naartoe! Mensen zijn immers wandelende ecosystemen met een kilo micro-organismen van allerlei pluimage aan boord.

Maar zonder dollen: die Martiaanse microben, indien aanwezig, laten zich natuurlijk niet wegdrukken door een stel onaangepaste buitenaardse wezentjes. Er is op dit moment nog geen enkel Aards organisme bekend dat het op Mars zou kunnen uithouden (wat natuurlijk een reden zou moeten zijn om er ook met mensen niet heen te gaan).
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Berichtdoor xplosive » Di Apr 30, 2013 4:25 pm

Gunnen we deze gehoofddoekte mevrouw een plek op Mars?

Marwa Mikawi

Krijgen we dan toch een invasie van moslims op Mars?
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Berichtdoor Pilgrim » Di Apr 30, 2013 5:04 pm

xplosive schreef:Krijgen we dan toch een invasie van moslims op Mars?

Ik hoop van niet. Gewoon afwijzen met de klassieke smoes: "je past niet in het team".
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Berichtdoor Pilgrim » Di Apr 30, 2013 5:10 pm

Het idee achter de kolonisatie van Mars is een soort 'Ark van Noach-idee', een soort reserve Aarde dus, voor het geval we zoiets nog eens nodig als het hier helemaal mis gaat. Er zal dus uiteindelijk ook allemaal flora en fauna naar toe moeten. Dat hoeven we natuurlijk niet te doen met scheepsladingen vol met dieren want dat dat zou veel te zwaar zijn en teveel ruimte kosten. Ik denk aan ingevroren sperma en eicelletjes van alle mogelijk levensvormen op Aarde. Martiaanse inheemse microben vind ik in dit geval van ondergeschikt belang. Het overleven en de toekomst van de mensheid zijn veel belangrijker dan een paar van die inheemse en misschien exotische bacteriën. Persoonlijk hoop ik dat Mars volkomens steriel is, dat scheelt een hoop discussie met natuurbeschermers.
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Berichtdoor xplosive » Wo Mei 01, 2013 12:14 am

Pilgrim schreef:
xplosive schreef:Krijgen we dan toch een invasie van moslims op Mars?

Ik hoop van niet. Gewoon afwijzen met de klassieke smoes: "je past niet in het team".

Nu weer een moslim uit Saoedi-Arabië : Omar

Hopelijk worden het niet 4 moslims omdat "ze het zo goed met elkaar kunnen vinden en zo goed bij elkaar passen" (en men bij Mars One vooral niet "islamofobisch" wil overkomen). Kennelijk interesseert het deze moslims niet dat ze straks niet in de richting van Mekka kunnen bidden.
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Re: Kolonisatie van Mars noodzaak!

Berichtdoor Ariel » Wo Mei 01, 2013 12:29 am

Weet Omar niet dat hij niet terug kan? Of is hij zijn vrouw zat.
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Berichtdoor Pilgrim » Wo Mei 01, 2013 1:08 am

Bij tienduizenden aanmeldingen loop je natuurlijk de kans dat er ook moslims tussen zitten. We kunnen alleen maar hopen dat ze niet door de selectietest heenkomen.
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Berichtdoor xplosive » Wo Mei 01, 2013 1:09 am

Ariel schreef:Weet Omar niet dat hij niet terug kan?

Geen idee of hij dat weet, maar als hij werkelijk een student "computerwetenschappen" is, dan zal hij hoogstwaarschijnlijk niet compleet achterlijk zijn, zodat je dan wel kunt aannemen dat hij het wèl weet (en misschien met een zelfmoordmissie om de Mars basis te saboteren).
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