Moslims in Blackburn bidden al jaren naar verkeerde richting

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Moslims in Blackburn bidden al jaren naar verkeerde richting

Berichtdoor Ariel » Wo Mei 07, 2008 6:50 pm

Ik kan het niet nalaten om dit bericht op het forum te zetten. Ik moest erg lachen toen ik dit las. :razz:


Blackburn mosque worshippers were praying in wrong direction

By David Watkinson
A MOSQUE in Blackburn has undergone a refurbishment after discovering that worshippers were praying in the wrong direction.

Experts using modern satellite technology discovered that prayers at the mosque, which should have been in the direction of Mecca, were over 30 degrees out.

The location of the Qiblah, which is what worshippers pray towards as a guide to the direction of Mecca, has now been changed at the Masjid-e-Sajideen mosque in Plane Tree Road, Little Harwood.

advertisementIt has been moved during a routine renovation following research from local academics which found that prayers were in the direction of Africa rather than Mecca.

Work at the mosque has seen the layout of the main prayer room altered and the Qiblah, as the focus of the room, which is similar to an alter in a Christian church, has been moved.

Research has shown that it is not unusual for mosques in the UK to change the direction of the Qiblah if errors are discovered.

A spokesman for the Lancashire Council of Mosques said: "There is a common problem in finding the Qiblah and it is not unusual for this sort of thing to happen.

"Often there is some error at many mosques but not always as much as 30 degrees."

Muslims consider the direction of Qiblah very important because the fact that all Muslims pray towards Mecca is traditionally considered to be a symbol of the unity of Islam.

Some Muslim scholars believe that as long as the direction is within 24 degrees of the actual Qiblah the prayer is valid, although others argue that a deviation of up to 45 degrees is acceptable.

Mecca, a city in Saudi Arabia, is revered by Muslims for containing the holiest site of Islam, the Grand Mosque of Mecca. A pilgrimage to Mecca during the season of the Hajj is one of the Five Pillars of Islam Before the advent of satellite technology Muslim astronomers used the sun to calculate the Qiblah.

Most mosques in East Lancashire are within five to 10 degrees of the exact direction, which is acceptable by scholars.

Mosque leaders at the Masjid-e-Sajideen declined to comment.


BRON!!!!!!!!
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Berichtdoor SDX » Wo Mei 07, 2008 9:59 pm

Goshie, allah is zijn hellevuur al aant opstoken nu :twisted:
"Joew hef toe tôk toe mie wiz RIESPEK, aaj em moesliem en aaj em bedder den joew!" [Some average muslim]

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Berichtdoor Ruth » Wo Mei 07, 2008 10:53 pm

:D das balen, al die gebeden gingen er 30 graden naast. Die zijn dus nooit bij Allah aangekomen. Daar hebben ze heel wat in te halen.
Als je denkt dat je te klein bent om invloed te hebben, dan heb je waarschijnlijk nog nooit de nacht doorgebracht met een mug op je kamer.

Wie vecht kan verliezen, wie niet vecht is al verloren.

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Berichtdoor Ariel » Wo Mei 07, 2008 11:08 pm

Er zijn zo heel wat hassanats verloren gegaan. :razz:

Het vervolg …Het blijkt maar weer dat Moslims niet zonder de verketterde westerse technologie kunnen. Ze hadden toen ze de moskee in gebruik namen geen satelliet technologie.
Wat is er mis met een kompas vraag ik me af.



Change in direction for mosque

Change in direction for mosque
By Asian Image reporter

A Mosque has changed the direction in which worshippers pray after it was revealed the direction of Makkah was over 35 degrees out.

The Lancashire mosque recently underwent renovations and during this period the Qiblah direction was changed.

To avoid confusion a full explanation has been given by the man who has conducted detailed research into the direction of Makkah.

The Qiblah is an Arabic word for the direction that should be faced when a Muslim performs his or her prayer.

Maulana Yusuf Patel who presented the research that led to the change said, "It is not unusual for mosques in the UK to change the direction of the Qiblah.

"Many mosques in the UK were built before the advent of satellite technology.

"Now that we have access to the technology it is only wise to use it to find out the exact direction of the Qiblah."

The research found a common problem in ascertaining the Qiblah, "It was widely assumed that the Qiblah of the UK is south east at 135 degrees. However, the Qiblah for Blackburn is at 118 degrees from north.

"In the case of this particular mosque, the building direction is at 151 degrees and the deviation from the actual Qiblah was 33 degrees, not 16 degrees as previously assumed.

"The fact that the Qiblah for the Mosques in Blackburn is at 118 degrees from north is proven according to satellite technology.

"Before the advent of the satellite system, Muslim Astronomers laid down the sun method to calculate the Qiblah as the sun is positioned directly above Makkah on certain dates. This method was also used to confirm the Qiblah to be at 118 degrees."

Muslims consider the direction of Qiblah very important because the fact that all Muslims pray towards the Ka'ba is traditionally considered to be symbol of the unity of all Muslims worldwide under the law of God.

Some Muslim Scholars believe that as long as the direction is within 24 degrees of the actual Qiblah the prayer is valid. Whilst others believe that a maximum of 45 degrees deviation from the exact direction of the Ka'bah is acceptable. Any direction exceeding the 45 degrees limit than the actual Qiblah direction must be changed, and this change has occurred in a few mosques of Preston couple of years ago.

Moulana Yusuf emphasised, "This difference of opinion amongst scholars does not mean one should intentionally deviate the Qiblah to 24 or 45 degrees. For this reason, many mosques are within the exact Qiblah direction especially those recently built or renovated.

"According to the research, the Blackburn Markaz Makki Masjid off London Road and the Zakariyya Jame Mosque in Bolton were two of the most accurate and the Qibla direction is almost precise.

"Many mosques are within 5-10 degrees of the exact direction and this is acceptable by scholars."

The Qiblah change has occurred in many parts of the country due to the fact that technology and information is easily accessible and this could possibly lead to change in other mosques especially those that are more than 24 degrees out.
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Berichtdoor SDX » Wo Mei 07, 2008 11:46 pm

Wat gaat er nu gebeuren met die moskeet, afbreken en een nieuwe, nog grotere met nog hogere minaret bouwen? Op wiens kosten...en al die andere puisten...moeten die ook met satelliet-technologie gemeten worden, wat als die meer dan 10 graden afwijken, allemaal afbreken en nieuwe bouwen?
"Joew hef toe tôk toe mie wiz RIESPEK, aaj em moesliem en aaj em bedder den joew!" [Some average muslim]

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Berichtdoor Ariel » Wo Mei 07, 2008 11:52 pm

Allah heeft de moskee 30 graden gedraaid SDX.
piece of cake voor Allah. 8)
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Berichtdoor SDX » Do Mei 08, 2008 12:57 am

Of course...how could I doubt allah the most merciful, allah knows best, Amien. :smile:
"Joew hef toe tôk toe mie wiz RIESPEK, aaj em moesliem en aaj em bedder den joew!" [Some average muslim]

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Berichtdoor Mahalingam » Vr Mei 09, 2008 4:07 pm

Experts using modern satellite technology discovered that prayers at the mosque, which should have been in the direction of Mecca, were over 30 degrees out.

Een expert? Gewoon iemand met een TomTom of een Garmin GPS?
Die dingen geven alleen maar goed de richting aan als ze in beweging zijn. Als een GPS stil staat dan weet die van geen richting. Tenzij de GPS een magnetisch kompas heeft ingebouwd gekregen. En die dingen moet je voor ieder gebruik (ook na vervanging van accu's) ijken. Een gewoon kompas is veel handiger en nauwkeuriger.
De enige experts die goed een richting kunnen bepalen zijn landmeters.
Wat jammer dat die Islamitische schriftgeleerden niet weten wat de foutenmarge is. <10 graden, <24 graden of <30 of <45 graden?
Kan er niet wat duidelijkheid komen in deze kwestie? Hoe streng is Allah en hoeveel procent van het totaal keurt die in de praktijk af vanwege foute richting?
Ik denk dat het verschil van mening bij de geleerden verband houdt met de stellling of de aarde plat is of een bol. Dan krijg je andere richtingen vanuit Engeland naar Mecca.
Wie in de Islam zijn hersens gebruikt, zal zijn hoofd moeten missen.


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