The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet

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The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet

Berichtdoor Zwartmeer » Do Jan 29, 2009 6:01 pm

Father Zakaria Botros on "The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet" Part III
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024617.php

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This being the continuation of Fr Zakaria Botros’ examination of Muhammad's sexual morality (or lack thereof). See here for Part I and Part II.

Last we left the Coptic priest, he was reading from hadith reports stating that the prophet of Islam “admired” a 2-3 year old girl (saying that he hoped to live long enough to make her his wife), and “laid” in the grave with a dead woman.

In this episode, he began with the prophet’s “transvestite” tendencies. He read from several hadiths, including Sahih Bukhari—Fr Botros claims that there are no less than 32 different references to this phenomenon in Islam’s books—wherein Muhammad often laid in bed dressed in women’s clothes, specifically his child-bride Aisha’s.

Fr. Botros: “Perhaps Muslims think that he only dressed in Aisha’s clothes? Being that she was his “favorite,” perhaps after being intimate with her, he would merely lay in bed with her clothes?” (Here the priest put his face in his hands lamenting that he had to talk of such shameful things.)

Then he offered an interesting and revealing hadith, from Sahih Bukhari (2/911), which records Muhammad saying, “Revelations [i.e., the Koran] never come to me when I’m dressed in women’s clothing—except when I’m dressed in Aisha’s,” implying that it was something of a habit for the prophet to dress in female clothing.

Fr Botros next moved on to some commentaries in the Tafsir of al-Qurtubi—an authoritative exegesis in Islam. He read one anecdote where Aisha said that, one day, while Muhammad was lying naked in bed, Zaid came knocking; Muhammad, without getting dressed, opened the door and “hugged and kissed him”—in the nude. Elsewhere, Qurtubi concludes that, “the prophet—prayers and blessings upon him—was constantly preoccupied with women.”

Fr Botros to Muslims: “So this is your prophet—the most morally upright man? Instead of being preoccupied with, say, prayer or good deeds, he was preoccupied with women?”

He next read from Faid al-Qabir (3/371), wherein Muhammad is on record saying, “My greatest loves are women and perfume: the hungry is satisfied after eating, but I never have enough of women.” Another hadith: “I can hold back from food and drink—but not from women.” After reading these hadiths, Fr Botros would just look at the screen in silence, shaking his head.

He next read an interesting narrative (contained in Umdat al-Qari and Faid al-Qabir). Reportedly, Allah sent Gabriel with some sort of celestial food (called al-kofid) to Muhammad, commanding the latter to “Eat!”—identical to when Gabriel came to Muhammad saying “Read!” (i.e., iqra, the word for Koran). The report goes on to quote Muhammad saying that the food given to him “gave me the sexual potency of 40 heavenly men.” Fr Botros next read from the Sunan of al-Tirmidhi, where it says that the “heavenly man” has the sexual potency of 100 mortal men.

Wondered the priest: “So, doing the math, 40x100, we can conclude that Muhammad, whenever he ate his heavenly aphrodisiac, had the sexual potency of 4000 men? Really, O umma, is this the claim to fame of your prophet—that he was a raving sex maniac?" Then, less seriously, "Imagine the surprise when Westerners find out that, once again, it was Muhammad who first discovered Viagra!”

Zakaria Botros went on to read from more sources, such as Sunan al-Nisa’i, wherein Muhammad used to in a single night "visit" all his women, without washing in between. Asked the priest: “Why even record such obscene and embarrassing things?"

Perhaps most entertaining, Fr Botros spent some time analyzing an anecdote recorded in Ibn Kathir’s al-Bidaya we al-Nihaya. Here is a translation for this lengthy account:

After conquering the Jews of Khaybar, and plundering their belongings, among other things, a donkey fell into the lot of the prophet, who proceeded to ask the donkey: “What is your name?"

The donkey answered, "Yazid Ibn Shihab. Allah had brought forth from my ancestry 60 donkeys, none of whom were ridden on except by prophets. None of the descendants of my grandfather remain but me, and none of the prophets remain but you and I expected you to ride me. Before you, I belonged to a Jewish man, whom I caused to stumble and fall frequently so he used to kick my stomach and beat my back."

Here, chuckling, the priest added, “a taqiyya-practicing donkey!” He continued reading, "The prophet – may Allah’s prayers and peace be upon him – said to him, ‘I will call you Ya’foor. O Ya’foor!’ Ya’foor replied, ‘I obey.’ The prophet asked, ‘Do you lust after females?’ The donkey replied, ‘No!’"

Cried the priest: “Even the donkey blushed for shame concerning your prophet’s over-sexed inquiries! Here we have what is supposed to be a miracle—a talking donkey; and of all things to communicate to this animal, your prophet’s most urgent question was whether the donkey lusts after females?”

Next, reading from Sahih Bukhari (5/2012), Fr Botros relayed an account where Muhammad went into the house of a young woman named Umaima bint Nua’m and commanded her to “Give yourself to me!” The woman responded, “Shall a queen give herself to the rabble?" Shaking his fist, Muhammad threatened her, and then sent her off to her parents.

Zakaria Botros: “You see, people, even back then, in those dark ages, there were still people who had principles, who did not give way to threats and coercion. However, the real question here is, why was Muhammad contradicting the commandments of his own Koran—“if a believing woman gives herself to the prophet” (33:50)—trying to coerce this young lady?”

Finally, with a most distasteful look on his face, the priest read from a hadith in al-Siyuti (6/395), where Muhammad asserts that, “In heaven, Mary mother of Jesus, will be one of my wives.”

“Please, O prophet,” quoth the Coptic Orthodox priest, “do not implicate our saints with your filthy practices…”

[Stay tuned for part IV of "The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet"]
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Re: The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet

Berichtdoor Mahalingam » Vr Jan 30, 2009 3:58 pm

Ook in de USA neemt men kennis van Father Botros en ook daar zijn de Mohammedanen zeer pissed-ff van hem. En ze willen dat die in de USA verboden wordt.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090130/LIFESTYLE04/901300353/1041/rss11
Broadcast angers Muslims
Leaders want radio station to stop airing comments by priest they say defame Muhammad.
Gregg Krupa / The Detroit News

SOUTHFIELD -- Muslims and interfaith leaders in Metro Detroit are asking a local radio station owner to discontinue broadcasts in which, they say, a Coptic priest has repeatedly defamed the Prophet Muhammad over the past year.

In an Arabic-language broadcast Wednesday on WNZK 680/690 AM, the Rev. Zakariah Boutros said the Muslim prophet Muhammad had engaged in necrophilia and gay sex, according to the Council on American Islamic Relations.

Boutros has previously come under fire from area Muslims, who say he disparages Islam. The controversial, American-based priest can be heard on purchased time slots on radio stations internationally. His words have stirred controversy in Egypt and Great Britain, and are embraced by a number of bloggers and Web sites that criticize Islam.

Amani Mostafa, who hosts the program "Questions About Faith" on which Boutros spoke Thursday, said Boutros was "reading from an Islamic text" when he said, over the air, that the Prophet Muhammad slept in the grave of a dead woman and allowed a man to kiss and caress his chest.

"I am a former Muslim," said Mostafa, who is now Christian. "I know exactly what I am talking about. These are the things we were taught as children. We are quoting the Quran and the Hadiths, and if the Muslims have a problem with that then they have a problem with their own book."

Hadiths are Muhammad's saying or writings, as reported by his followers.

Muslims say that no such wording appears in the Quran or the Hadiths.

"If that's their excuse, it's lame," said Dawud Walid, of CAIR, which distributed a "national alert" Thursday asking Muslims to contact the radio station to express concerns about the broadcast. CAIR also counseled Muslims to be "firm but polite. Hostile comments can and will be used to further defame Islam and Muslims."

Sima Birach, who owns the station, said he had received some complaints on Thursday, though he said he did not know how many.

In an interview with The Detroit News last summer Birach promised to end the broadcasts, upon the request of interfaith Muslim, Jewish and Christian groups in Metro Detroit.

Birach went so far as to put people associated with Boutros's broadcasts on conference calls with this reporter, while he berated them for allowing what some consider hate speech.

"It's not right," Birach said at the time. "It's not fair to use some fake or stupid books to accuse someone's religion. Do you hear me?" But on Thursday, Birach said he had since heard from "several prominent people in the community," that what Boutros stated in the broadcasts is true.

"Maybe we need to have more meetings," Birach said, referring to members of the Muslim and interfaith communities.

You can reach Gregg Krupa at (313) 222-2359 or [email protected].
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Re: The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet

Berichtdoor Zwartmeer » Vr Jan 30, 2009 8:04 pm

Ik probeer een paar van de hadith te vinden die Botros noemt. Zoals hieronder. Tot nu toe is me dat nog niet gelukt...

Then he offered an interesting and revealing hadith, from Sahih Bukhari (2/911), which records Muhammad saying, “Revelations [i.e., the Koran] never come to me when I’m dressed in women’s clothing—except when I’m dressed in Aisha’s,” implying that it was something of a habit for the prophet to dress in female clothing.
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Re: The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet

Berichtdoor Manon » Vr Jan 30, 2009 8:18 pm

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc ... h/bukhari/

book 2 gaat maar tot 55

het was nu net zo juicy! :redface:
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Berichtdoor Zwartmeer » Vr Jan 30, 2009 8:26 pm

Manon schreef:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/

book 2 gaat maar tot 55

het was nu net zo juicy! :redface:


Die site heb ik ook gebruikt...
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Re: The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet

Berichtdoor Anneke » Za Jan 31, 2009 12:33 am

Aaah, Father Zakaria :D Ik hoor tot op dit late tijdstip zijn stem nog door het huis schallen vanuit de tv en laptops.

Manon; Father Zakaria bestudeert de islam al enkele decennia, en heeft ahadith die of niet zijn vertaalt naar het Engels, of een andere nummering hebben dan zoals wij die kennen. Hoe hij er precies aan is gekomen weet ik niet, maar ik betwijfel het sterk dat hij dit allemaal verzint.

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Berichtdoor Manon » Za Jan 31, 2009 1:40 am

ho maar ik zeg niet dat hij ze verzint hoor, alleen spijtig dat ze niet mee opgenomen zijn in die grote collectie die we als standaard database gebruiken.

Ik veronderstel echter dat hij de verkeerde nummering heeft gebruikt, want er staat wèl COMPLETE Sahih Bukhari... dus zouden ze erbij moeten zijn.
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Berichtdoor Ariel » Za Jan 31, 2009 1:49 am

Manon schreef:ho maar ik zeg niet dat hij ze verzint hoor, alleen spijtig dat ze niet mee opgenomen zijn in die grote collectie die we als standaard database gebruiken.

Ik veronderstel echter dat hij de verkeerde nummering heeft gebruikt, want er staat wèl COMPLETE Sahih Bukhari... dus zouden ze erbij moeten zijn.


Ik vermoed dat Moslims dit een zwakke hadith vinden en daarom is hij uit de lijst verdwenen. Waarschijnlijk staat de Hadith nog wel in het boek dat vader Zakaria gebruikt.

Net zoals de "Thighing" Aisha hadith. Ik vraag me af of deze hadith ook in zijn boek staat.

Mohammed placed his penis between the thighs of Aisha and he messaged it to orgasm since he could not have sexual intercourse with her until she was nine.
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Berichtdoor Manon » Za Jan 31, 2009 1:59 am

Mohammed placed his penis between the thighs of Aisha and he messaged it to orgasm since he could not have sexual intercourse with her until she was nine.


ha! dààr haalde Kohmeiny zijn aanwijzingen over "hoe kan ik klaarkomen met een babytje van één jaar"?
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Berichtdoor H.Numan » Za Jan 31, 2009 3:23 am

Tja, een lid van de Stichting Martijn zal zeggen: kunnen ze schommelen, kunnen ze wippen.
Een ayatollah zegt: stort je zaad in een baby naad!
Er is altijd baas boven baas. Zelfs in dit soort verwerpelijke activiteiten...
een volk dat voor korannen zwicht
zal meer dan lijf en goed verliezen
dan dooft het licht….
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Berichtdoor Zwartmeer » Za Jan 31, 2009 9:57 am

Ariel schreef:
Manon schreef:ho maar ik zeg niet dat hij ze verzint hoor, alleen spijtig dat ze niet mee opgenomen zijn in die grote collectie die we als standaard database gebruiken.

Ik veronderstel echter dat hij de verkeerde nummering heeft gebruikt, want er staat wèl COMPLETE Sahih Bukhari... dus zouden ze erbij moeten zijn.


Ik vermoed dat Moslims dit een zwakke hadith vinden en daarom is hij uit de lijst verdwenen. Waarschijnlijk staat de Hadith nog wel in het boek dat vader Zakaria gebruikt.


De meeste hadith die een bepaalde grofheid of laagte tonen ken ik wel. Toen ik dat las van Mohammed in vrouwenkleren was dat nieuw voor mij. Dus effe uitzoeken. Zelfs als er een andere nummering gebruikt wordt dan nog moet het via de woordzoekfunkie mogelijk zijn de betreffende hadith te vinden. Is niet gelukt dus. Nu is het zo dat het natuurlijk geen garantie is dat het waar is als moslims zeggen de complete hadith van Bukharie aan te aan te bieden. Maar dat houdt dan wel in dat je af en toe ontbrekende nummers moet vinden. En die zijn me nog niet opgevallen. Zou Botros echter dingen verzinnen dan komt dat altijd uit en gaat ie goed op z'n bek. Ik weet het ook niet meer. In de jihadwatch van vandaag staat weer een stuk over over vader Botros. Zie hieronder:
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Berichtdoor Zwartmeer » Za Jan 31, 2009 10:06 am

January 30, 2009
Father Zakaria Botros on CAIR's radar http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024645.php

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"This stuff is in your own books!"

It's not enough that al-Qaeda has called Fr Zakaria Botros "one of the most wanted infidels in the world," issuing a 60 million dollar bounty on his head, or that popular Arabic magazines call him "Islam's public enemy #1"; now, as expected, CAIR is getting in on the action, calling for a "national alert" -- as in umma alert, eerily reminiscent of a fatwa -- against him. Apparently his last few shows dealing with Muhammad's questionable sexual habits, including necrophilia -- which I translated here, here, and here -- are irking CAIR, specifically as his words are "embraced by a number of bloggers and Web sites that criticize Islam."

Why do radical Muslims, such as CAIR, hate -- and fear -- Zakaria Botros so? (I first described him and his ministry on NRO; be sure to click on links that go to important video clips of him, with English subtitles, where he makes several impressive demands of Islam). The problem Muslims have with Fr Botros is that they simply cannot refute him: everything he says -- no matter how scandalizing to Islam -- is always based on, often revered, Islamic sources. Moreover, Fr Botros rarely makes any claims about Islam: he only exposes; he only raises questions and then invites Islam's ulema to respond and "clarify" the matter. However, as this story indicates, their response is only to have him censored -- or, for the more radical, killed.

As he always says, however, "This stuff is in your own books! If you don't like it, go burn your books -- you know, the way Caliph Uthman burned all the other contending Korans [there were 7] when he prepared the authoritative version, the one you believe is based on a 'heavenly' Koran!"

Anyone interested in supporting Fr Botros and his mission can do so at his website; here also.

"Broadcast angers Muslims," by Gregg Krupa for the Detroit News, January 30:

Leaders want radio station to stop airing comments by priest they say defame Muhammad.

SOUTHFIELD -- Muslims and interfaith leaders in Metro Detroit are asking a local radio station owner to discontinue broadcasts in which, they say, a Coptic priest has repeatedly defamed the Prophet Muhammad over the past year.

In an Arabic-language broadcast Wednesday on WNZK 680/690 AM, the Rev. Zakariah Boutros said the Muslim prophet Muhammad had engaged in necrophilia and gay sex, according to the Council on American Islamic Relations.

Boutros has previously come under fire from area Muslims, who say he disparages Islam. The controversial, American-based priest can be heard on purchased time slots on radio stations internationally. His words have stirred controversy in Egypt and Great Britain, and are embraced by a number of bloggers and Web sites that criticize Islam.

Amani Mostafa, who hosts the program "Questions About Faith" on which Boutros spoke Thursday, said Boutros was "reading from an Islamic text" when he said, over the air, that the Prophet Muhammad slept in the grave of a dead woman and allowed a man to kiss and caress his chest.

"I am a former Muslim," said Mostafa, who is now Christian. "I know exactly what I am talking about. These are the things we were taught as children. We are quoting the Quran and the Hadiths, and if the Muslims have a problem with that then they have a problem with their own book."
Hadiths are Muhammad's saying or writings, as reported by his followers.

Muslims say that no such wording appears in the Quran or the Hadiths.

"If that's their excuse, it's lame," said Dawud Walid, of CAIR, which distributed a "national alert" Thursday asking Muslims to contact the radio station to express concerns about the broadcast. CAIR also counseled Muslims to be "firm but polite. Hostile comments can and will be used to further defame Islam and Muslims."

Sima Birach, who owns the station, said he had received some complaints on Thursday, though he said he did not know how many.

In an interview with The Detroit News last summer Birach promised to end the broadcasts, upon the request of interfaith Muslim, Jewish and Christian groups in Metro Detroit.

Birach went so far as to put people associated with Boutros's broadcasts on conference calls with this reporter, while he berated them for allowing what some consider hate speech.

"It's not right," Birach said at the time. "It's not fair to use some fake or stupid books to accuse someone's religion. Do you hear me?" But on Thursday, Birach said he had since heard from "several prominent people in the community," that what Boutros stated in the broadcasts is true.
If it wasn't, there would be no Zakaria Botros, as he would've been immediately discredited as a liar and forger. That he's famous, that people listen to him, and want to kill him, all evinces that what he says is, in fact, based on Islamic scriptures and thus not open to debate -- hence the appeal and conversions on the one hand, rabid anger and hate on the other.
"Maybe we need to have more meetings," Birach said, referring to members of the Muslim and interfaith communities.
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Berichtdoor mercator » Ma Feb 02, 2009 12:29 pm

Ariel schreef:Mohammed placed his penis between the thighs of Aisha and he messaged it to orgasm since he could not have sexual intercourse with her until she was nine.


Ook naar "Allo allo" gekeken? I bringe you a secret massage... :D
Echt hilarisch, die pater Botros is beter dan Hans Teeuwen!
Mohammed die een sprekende ezel ontmoet, dat fenomeen perfect normaal lijkt te vinden maar alleen s informeert of ie mss gay is....hahaha, als het niet tot de geregistreerde Islamitische dwaasheden behoort is het verdorie goed gevonden!
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Berichtdoor H.Numan » Ma Feb 02, 2009 2:18 pm

mercator schreef:
Ariel schreef:Mohammed placed his penis between the thighs of Aisha and he messaged it to orgasm since he could not have sexual intercourse with her until she was nine.


Ook naar "Allo allo" gekeken? I bringe you a secret massage... :D
Echt hilarisch, die pater Botros is beter dan Hans Teeuwen!
Mohammed die een sprekende ezel ontmoet, dat fenomeen perfect normaal lijkt te vinden maar alleen s informeert of ie mss gay is....hahaha, als het niet tot de geregistreerde Islamitische dwaasheden behoort is het verdorie goed gevonden!

Dus mo ontmoetten een sprekende ezel? Dat is niks! Urbanus ontmoetten een rekenend varken! neuf, neuf...HUIT!!!! :rongue:
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Berichtdoor Zwartmeer » Do Feb 26, 2009 4:42 pm

Hier weer zo'n geval moeilijk te verifiëren hadith. Waarschijnlijk houden moslims een hele boel van die mooie voorbeelden van de profeet voor zichzelf. Ik had toch graag eens gebladerd in de werken van Al Hindi en Al Asbahani.

This hadith, depicting Muhammad laying next to a dead woman in her grave
is present in 6 Islamic books including:

Al Hindi v.13 p.274
Al Asbahani v.1 p.488


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Berichtdoor Scarlatti » Vr Feb 27, 2009 11:09 pm

nou.. ik kon t helaas niet lezen dat arabische schrift.. maar begrijp ik t goed als ik hieruit op kan maken dat ie behalve pedofiel ook nog een necrofiel was, buiten de rest vzijn bezigheden natuurlijk als rover, moordenaar, slavenhandelaar etc etc
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Berichtdoor Zwartmeer » Za Feb 28, 2009 12:02 am

Scarlatti schreef:nou.. ik kon t helaas niet lezen dat arabische schrift.. maar begrijp ik t goed als ik hieruit op kan maken dat ie behalve pedofiel ook nog een necrofiel was, buiten de rest vzijn bezigheden natuurlijk als rover, moordenaar, slavenhandelaar etc etc


Ja zo heb ik het ook begrepen. Nou zie ik Mo overal wel voor aan maar ik zou ook graag de orginele teksten willen zien. Zal nog eens beter zoeken.
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Berichtdoor Ariel » Za Feb 28, 2009 2:02 am

Kijk eens jongelui. Dit is wat ik gevonden heb. Ik kan de hadith niet vinden, en ik weet niet of dit een sterke of zwakke hadith is.

This is from a book called “Kanz Al Umal” (The Treasure of the Workers), in the chapter of “The issues of women”, authored by Ali Ibn Husam Aldin, commonly known as Al-Mutaki Al-Hindi. He based his book on the hadiths and sayings listed in “Al-Jami Al-Saghir,” written by Jalal ul-Din Al-Suyuti.

Narrated by Ibn Abbas:
‘I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib’… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali.

“The Arabic word used here for slept is “Id’tajat,” and literally means “lay down” with her. It is often used to mean, “Lay down to have sex.” Muhammad is understood as saying that because he slept with her she has become like a wife to him so she will be considered like a “mother of the believers.” This will supposedly prevent her from being tormented in the grave, since Muslims believe that as people wait for the Judgment Day they will be tormented in the grave. “Reduce the pressure” here means that the torment won’t be as much because she is now a “mother of the believers” after Muhammad slept with her and “consummated” the union. ”

Here is something to ponder
It has been theorized that either of the following situation could be antecedents to necrophilia The necrophile develops poor self-esteem, perhaps due to he was very fearful of rejection by women/men and he desired a sexual partner who was incapable of rejecting him
68 percent of necrophiles motivated by a desire for an unresisting and unrejecting partner, and this could be very much the case, because, I doubt many of the women this bastard screwed had much choice. No women would enjoy being fucked by the man who had just murdered her husband, there is no way a 9 years old is going to enjoin a penis thrust into her. So it stands to reason the only willing sex partner he could find was his dead aunt, and I guess the reason we dont her much more about his


http://avideditor.wordpress.com/2009/02 ... ecrophile/


Mohammed slept with Fatma bent a side while she was dead in the grave. Sahih Muslim 3760
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Berichtdoor Manon » Za Feb 28, 2009 11:12 am

Wel ge ziet maar weeral eens.

Zo goed was Mohammed dat hij zelfs met lijken neukte om ervoor te zorgen dat ZIJ geen last hadden in hun graf, wachtende op de laatste dag...

zoveel goedheid kan je van een normaal persoon dus niet verwachten. Bijna evenveel goedheid als dat hij met de 17jarige Juwairrya copuleerde om er zo voor te zorgen dat ze als bruidsschat haar vrijheid terugkreeg en de rest van haar stam ook gespaard werd.... het is om een krop in de keel van te krijgen.
Wat een opofferingsvermogen!
More diversity always means "less white people"
Diversity is a codeword for white genocide.

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Re: The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet

Berichtdoor Scarlatti » Za Feb 28, 2009 12:02 pm

ja idd... :? hij kende geen grenzen kennelijk.. net zomin als zijn slaafse volgelingen die AFGERADEN wordt om ZELF de koran te bestuderen :evil: stel je toch voor er zit er een tussen met hèrsens!
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Re: The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet

Berichtdoor Zwartmeer » Za Feb 28, 2009 10:53 pm

Ariel schreef:Kijk eens jongelui. Dit is wat ik gevonden heb. Ik kan de hadith niet vinden, en ik weet niet of dit een sterke of zwakke hadith is.


Die hadith moeten we hoe dan ook vinden! Is ie echt dan hebben we er weer een heel mooi wapen bij. Het lukt mij niet in te loggen op international, waar waarschijnlijk mensen zitten die hier meer van weten. Dus kan jij, of iemand anders, er daar eens wat over vragen?
Een pacifistische moslim is als een vegetarische krokodil.

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Re: The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet

Berichtdoor Ariel » Zo Mar 01, 2009 1:00 am

Ga ik doen Zwartmeer.
Ik vraag het aan Khalil. Die weet veel. Ik heb al heel wat hadith doorgelezen, maar de nummering op internet is volgens mij anders dan in het boek.
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Re: The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet

Berichtdoor Bernie » Di Mar 03, 2009 9:44 pm

Ik ben benieuwd..

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc ... 0.smt.html

Deze geeft een andere tekst voor nr. 3760. Zonder goede bron heeft de tekst geen waarde.
The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."
Bukhari Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826

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Re: The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet

Berichtdoor Mahalingam » Wo Mar 04, 2009 4:08 pm

Father Zakaria Botros zoemt als een steekmug om de hoofden van de Ware Gelovigen.
Neem dit artikel:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023442.php
Life TV's Zakaria Botros: “Was Muhammad a messenger from God or Satan?” Part II
dat ook is verschenen bij
http://europenews.dk/en/node/15883
Was Muhammad a messenger from God or Satan?
en trok de aandacht van de Organisation of Islamic Countries (IOC) die er twee bladzijden van over namen in http://www.oic-oci.org/oicnew/english/a ... Nov-08.pdf
(sorry, link is net weg sinds vanochtend)
Er is dan ook bij het artikel in Europe News een plaatje gezet:

Afbeelding
Wie in de Islam zijn hersens gebruikt, zal zijn hoofd moeten missen.

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Re: The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet

Berichtdoor Scarlatti » Wo Mar 04, 2009 4:50 pm

Ik ben gaan kijken en luisteren en ik was tot tranen toe geroerd;

Was Muhammad a messenger from God or Satan?
Jihad Watch November 09 2008
By Raymond Ibrahim

Life TV’s Father Zakaria Botros recently ran a show dedicated to answering the question,
“Was Muhammad a messenger from God or Satan?”


As usual with these shows, viewers were asked to call in and respond to this question, with poll results revealed at the end of the show.

His co-host in this particular show was an ex-Muslim woman turned Christian, who, a few shows earlier, used to still wear a hijab, but not today---as Zakaria Botros put it, in English, her "new look." She said that such an offensive question—ascertaining the divine or demonic source of Muhammad’s prophethood—would have enraged her in former days, and how, till today even, it makes her feel awkward, uncomfortable. Such was her conditioning.

Botros was quick to respond by saying that it is not he that insults Muhammad but rather Islam’s books. He, once again, insisted that he’s merely a reader, who is bringing to the table what he reads—“So don’t be angry with me!” he says, somewhat tongue in cheek. “If you don’t like it, then go and burn all those books that portray him so and leave me alone!”

He then spent some time making a valid point: that in Islam, it seems that Muhammad’s honor is to be more zealously guarded than even Allah’s. To prove this, he quoted from a famous Arabic manual of law called Kitab Ahkam Al-Koran (“Book of Koranic Rulings”) by the famous scholar al-Jassas: according to this manual, the apostate must not be killed until he has been given several chances to repent and return to Islam.

This same book, however, clearly states that whoever offends the name of the prophet (Muhammad) must be killed right where he stands, not given a chance to repent or take back his words.

So, wondered Botros, while the person who offends Allah by essentially rejecting him and trying to break away from his religion gets several chances to repent, not the one who offends Muhammad—thus, according to Botros’ logic, "In Islam, Muhammad has a higher place than Allah."

As for the question of the show, Botros asked a more pivotal question: how does one differentiate prophets from false prophets? He came up with three prerequisites of prophethood as well as three characteristics of prophets. Today we will examine the prerequisites.

PREREQUISITES:

1.A prophet typically receives direct revelations from God
2.A prophet usually does just that—prophesize, usually about the future.
3.A prophet’s claim to prophethood is usually supported by miracles.

As for receiving direct revelations from God, Botros provided several examples from the Bible, such as Exodus 3:10, where God not only directly communicates with Moses, but also sends him out on his mission. Likewise, the Koran confirms this, by saying that Allah spoke directly to Moses (4:164).

“So, what about Muhammad?” asked Botros; “Did God speak to him direct? Not at all; instead, he was visited by a creature [that is, a created, lesser being], who Muhammad himself was convinced was a demon or Jinn.” (Botros ran an entire episode revealing the many anecdotes in Islamic tradition that indicate that Muhammad was in fact visited by a Jinni, which I hope to translate shortly).

As for the second prerequisite, prophecy, again Botros provided several examples from the Bible of prophets prophesying, such as Psalms 22: 16, which Christians believe foretells the sufferings of Jesus, by nearly two millenia.

Asked Botros: “So, what prophecy did Muhammad bring?” He then quoted from the Koran verses which plainly indicate that Muhammad had no inkling of the future (see 6:50 and 7:188).

To the third prerequisite of prophethood: miracles. Botros indicated the miracles of Moses (e.g., Ten Plagues) and Jesus (raising the dead), which are recorded in both the Bible and Koran.

“So,” asked again, rather dryly, the Coptic priest, “what miracles did Muhammad perform?”
Here his co-hostess said that, from childhood, she, as a Muslim, was taught that the Koran is the miracle of Islam and Muhammad—to which Botros gave a chuckle, only to implore the viewers to not be angry with him, that he is not laughing in mockery but rather dismay.

He then insisted that discussing the problems of the “divine” Koran are manifold—linguistically, contextually, grammatically, etymologically—and that he had already dedicated several shows examining these problems. “However, let’s let one single Islamic book that exposes this issue suffice for today.”

After giving the title of the book, Haqa’iq Al Islam (“the Truths of Islam”), he boomed: “Quick, leave the TV set, or send your sons to the stores to buy this book, because we all know from previous experience that whatever Islamic book is used as evidence against Islam on this show is often immediately pulled off the market!”

He then read from page 200 of that book: “The Koran is most magnificent and perfect in language and structure; thus, if something appears wrong, it is not the Koran that is wrong but rather our understanding of language. As for obvious problems or contradictions, we are obligated to overlook these, for faith will resolve these matters.”

He also quoted Sunni Islam’s most authoritative institution, Al Azhar, saying “We must always strive to discover why in certain instances the Koran appears to not follow correct Arabic grammar. If we cannot find an answer, however, then we must leave the matter to Allah.”

The co-hostess said that Muslims believe Muhammad performed other miracles, according to the hadith. Botros responded by saying that that is simply another contradiction with the Koran, which flatly declares that even though the people demanded a miracle from Muhammad, the only one he could provide was the Koran:

"They say: We shall not believe in thee, until thou cause a spring to gush forth for us from the earth. Or (until) thou have a garden of date trees and vines, and cause rivers to gush forth in their midst, carrying abundant water…. No, we shall not even believe in thy mounting until thou send down to us a book that we could read. Say: Glory to my Lord! Am I aught but a man—a messenger?" (17:90-93).

Earlier, Life TV's Father Zakaria Botros discussed the three prerequisites of prophethood—direct revelation from God, the ability to prophesize, and the ability to perform miracles to support the claim of prophet. Here he discussed the three characteristics of prophethood, which are:

1.Lead a righteous life in order to be a good example before others.
2.Make sacrifices for others, not vice-versa.
3.Dedicate one’s life to the service of God.
For the first characteristic regarding prophethood, Botros opened by quoting Jesus’ famous saying: “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits” (Matt 7:15-16).

However, since Muslims may think that verse has been “corrupted”—the accusation of tahrif being commonplace when wanting to avoid biblical debates—Botros also went on to quote from none other than Ibn Taymiyya himself, radical Islam’s most favorite son, in regards to the characteristics of prophets.

According to Sheikh al-Islam’s Minhaj Al Sunna Al Nabawayya, Taymiyya said that false prophets, such as Musailima the Liar, were exposed by the fact that they were liars, oppressors, and possibly possessed by demons and jinn. However, when sober minded individuals studied their lives and deeds, they were able to discern that they were false prophets, that they were exposed.

After reading the relatively long quote from Taymiyya, Botros put his book down, looked directly at the screen, and flatly said that everyone of those negative characteristics indicative of false-prophethood mentioned by Taymiyya in fact apply to Muhammad. As but one example, he pointed to the fact that, even though the Taymiyya excerpt condemned lying, Muhammad himself justified lying in three circumstances—during war, to reconcile people, and husband to wife.

As for oppressive qualities of false prophets, Botros, reading from Sunan Al Bayhaqi, revealed to the viewers that Muhammad, after raiding innocent villages, would take into concubinage women he found desirable, and then send off to be sold in the market less than attractive women as well as children. With the money he’d make from this slave trade, he would purchase war horses and weaponry, in order to conquer other villages.

After reading such accounts, the good priest again put the books down, looked directly into the camera, and asked the predominantly Muslim viewers: “Does this sound like a real prophet to you? Remember: Ye shall know them by their fruits.”

Botros next considered what he called “Muhammad’s sexual escapades.” After listing them—all which should be famous by now to Jihad Watch readers—he proceeded to read from Kitab Al Tabaqat A Kubra, quoting a Muhammadan hadith, wherein the latter said “Of this world, the most things Allah has made me love are”—here Botros interjected with “What? Salvation of souls?! Doing good to others? What?!" only to continue quoting Muhammad’s conclusion—“women and perfume,” the latter to lure the former.

As for the second characteristic Botros listed as being indicative of prophethood—making sacrifices on behalf of others—the Coptic priest listed some biblical examples, such as Paul saying “I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved” (2 Cor 12:15). He also pointed to the “ultimate sacrifice” of Jesus. Here, his co-hostess objected saying that Jesus was not a prophet, but Son of God, to which the father roared “I’m speaking according to their beliefs!”

He then looked at the viewers asking, "So, what 'sacrifices' did Muhammad make?" He confessed he knew of none, but instead read various quotes of Muhammad asking others to sacrifice themselves for him and his religion—in the jihad and as shuhada—promising them a sensual heaven in return, one filled with sexual orgies and rivers of wine.

He next moved on to the final point, the final characteristic of a prophet: dedicating one’s life to God, exhibited by a life of good deeds, advocating peace, and above all love. He spend some time insisting that a prophet should lead mankind to love God unconditionally, so that believers would want to worship God voluntarily, not as an act of obsequiousness or fear.

He quoted from John 14:21: “He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”

“Well, what of Muhammad? What was his approach to making humanity worship their Maker?” Botros insisted that Muhammad, doing away with grace and love as typified by the New Testament, tried instead to usher mankind back to an era of law and fear. "Instead of love and mercy, Muhammad brought death and punishments."

As example, he read from al-Shinqiti’s works an entire chapter dedicated to proving that in Islam, whoever refuses to perform the obligatory prayers should be killed. Writes Shinqiti: “Those who refuse to pray, stand above them with a sword or stick, and command them—‘Pray!’—and if they refuse, smite them until they either pray or die.”

Finally, Father Zakaria Botros closed the program with an overall comparison of the life and deeds of Jesus and Muhammad, the founders of the two largest religions. He said that Jesus’ words and life example would lead to peace on earth, and mercy, whereas the words of Muhammad and his life example—here he quoted several Koranic verses, such as 9:5, 9:29, and 8:60—lead only to warfare and terrorism.

“Jesus came to save souls, Muhammad came to sacrifice the souls of others in order to create a worldly empire for himself.”

At the end of the program, Botros revealed the end poll results regarding the question “Was Muhammad a messenger from God or Satan?” 89% said Satan, 11% said God.
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